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John Rivers..How mature of you
August 10, 2007 | 05:49 PM
Everyone is entitled to their opinions and your childish name calling is absurd! I hope you don't have children because I can only imagine the examples you have set for them.
Bye bye
August 10, 2007 | 12:02 AM
I think I will not be buying any more Appen newspapers since it is apparently being run by a idiot.
John Rivers
Riddle for you!
August 05, 2007 | 10:28 PM
Do you know which country in the world has the largest Muslim population yet has, relatively speaking, almost no radical Islamic problems and which, also is characterized by many many languages and dialects and also has one of the fastest growing economies in the world…. And is a country that arrived at this because in fact it not only tolerates but embraces diversity of cultures, languages, and religions? You obviously don't know the answer so here it is: India.
Our dear government does not make it easy
August 05, 2007 | 06:59 PM
for anyone to come into this country legally unlike when all of our ancestors came here.
Name the countries in the World divided by different languages,
August 05, 2007 | 12:06 PM
Look at the strife in India, Pakistan, SRI LANKA, Indonesia, Phillipines, Bosnia, IRAQ, Turkey,
France - clash of cultures,religion, language groups.
Our country is being invaded NOT by immigrants who want to become American but by ILLEGALS who
are being indoctrinated and taught that they OWN this country and are taking it back. They want to turn this country into MEXICO.
Read LA RAZA, MEChA, Mexica Movement and you
will find hatred and sedition is being taught... and
WE ARE SITTING back listening to ignorant and
ignorant-of-history people like Appen WHO are giving our country away. It will turn the USA into a
THIRD WORLD COUNTRY... and Mexico will increase
their population by millions - continuing the problem. WAKE UP AMERICA!
J S Rocca,
August 05, 2007 | 10:36 AM
Why am I expected to follow the law and take responsibility for my family, AND subsidize the education and healthcare of criminals? I would like to see the EQUAL APPLICATION OF LAW. Period. There are mechanisms in place to become a citizen.
Kathy Noble
ILLEGAL ALIENS
August 04, 2007 | 11:08 PM
I want to thank you Mr. Appen for letting me know that I am hateful and mean spirited and have a twisted agenda .In my eyes , I am an American mother and grandmother and great-granmother who loves her family and her country .I want what is best for them .I have spent from one to four hours a day for months now educating myself on this issue . Can you say the same ?
F. Vaughn
Where do you draw the line?
August 04, 2007 | 10:14 PM
How many is too many? There are an estimated 12 to 30 million illegal aliens in the USA and our government does not know how many there really are or who they are. They are in this country with no health check and no criminal background check. The claim that the "cheap labor" keeps prices down for Americans does not show up in the prices consumers are paying for goods so where are the savings on labor going? The claim that they are just "poor hard working people looking for a better life" does not wash either. There are companies in Mexico, for example, that are offering incentives to hire workers who have been deported from the USA and they are finding that these people turn down the jobs saying they will take their chances and come back to the USA illegally. Part of their incentive for coming here is the government benefits that they have been taking advantage of. Benefits set up for American citizens and paid for by American citizens. Many of these people who are "just looking for a better life" are not planning that life in the USA, they are sending huge amounts of money out of the USA and are buying homes not in the USA but in their home countries where they plan to retire. In a recent article, an illegal from Brazil had purchased a home in Brazil, 2 cars for his relatives and planned to stay in the USA until Christmas and buy a car for himself. His reason is because the money no longer buys as much in Brazil, he doesn't need to stay in the USA any longer. We do not need another amnesty in any form, what we need is to have our immigration laws enforced.
JH Manning
And the answer is....
August 04, 2007 | 09:54 PM
I love how people like to whine abot how amnesty cant work but offer no alternative. If your dont like the idea then suggest something else. Dont act like you know all the answers unless our can offer a solution.
HA
You're invited to be on the radio!
August 04, 2007 | 04:17 PM
Mr. Appen, I do not know you, but I do know D. A. King, whom I have interviewed on my radio program "What Is Goin' On? You can check out his interviews at www.whatisgoinon.com.
I also interviewed Jerry Gonzalez.
In light of the controversy, I would like to extend an offer to you to be interviewed on the show next week. If you will respond to me at wilson@whatisgoinon.com, we can set something up.
Wilson R. Smith
Open Borders IS About More Than Cheap Labor
August 04, 2007 | 02:08 PM
RSG comments that D.A. King is right on the money, and I agree, but the open borders policy being fostered by our political and corporate elite IS about more than illegal black market labor. The open borders policy is merely part of a larger plan for the political and economic merger of the US, Mexico and Canada into a regional "government" (the Security and Prosperity Partnership for North America, more commonly known as the North American Union) administered by elite controlled bureaucrats who are unelected by the people of the US and are unaccountable to the US Congress, but whose "laws" and policies will be binding on the US. The goal of the North American Union, which is an extension of NAFTA, by the way, is to undermine the sovereignty of the United States (and the other nations involved)—to wrest control from the people and place it in the hands of those who purport to know what's best for us. Let's say no.
http://www.cfr.org/publication/8102/
http://www.eagleforum.org/topics/NAU/
Robert Cozine
Thanks Lance
August 04, 2007 | 01:08 PM
Finally some reason shining through the haze.
I agree that "amnesty" in some form would have the impact of an incentive. For sure. However, at the end of the day "something" organized and practical has to be done about the 12 million or so illegals that are here. Some form of bringing them into the system in some official capacity is the most likely practical - actually do-able - step I believe. I just have not seen someone offering an alternative "action" that is practical. On top of that, I still believe that our economy needs this work force - that this work force benefits us in many ways - including probably helping us to remain competitive on a global stage in some areas. And finally, if you could - but you can't - I would simply ask you to ask Wal-Mart what percentage of their gross sales are to hispanics... then come up with a rough number of the percentage of illegal hispanics in the universe of "legal and illegal hispanics" and you probably would find that the impact of the illegal hispanic consumers is very substantial. Of course, that is just guessing as I am the first to admit...
And I'll go even one more step further (blasphamy, I know) BUT I also believe, that generally speaking, that if these illegal immigrants were viewed as a potential asset instead of nothing more than a total liability that we would be much further along the way in finding some rational and productive solutions to this issue.
Appen
Appen's contentions
August 04, 2007 | 12:37 PM
(#1) the current policy is not working and must be fixed - yes, the border needs to be a real border,
Response: No problem, pro-borders advocates totally agree, although some on your side, Mr. Appen, don't want our borders enforced. Example, John McCain. If these politicians wanted our borders enforced, they would not have been legislatively sabotaging all efforts to do so for the last two decades.
(#2) that making "amnesty" the issue is preventing any real, practical, enforceable, realistic solutions to the problem,
Response: Granting legal status to illegal aliens is a way of further incentivizing illegal immigration, and thus helps assure that our current immigration anarchy, which is an outgrowth of our nonenforcement of immigration law, simply becomes more pervasive and accelerates the disintegration of our society.
But if you want to stop the focus on amnesty, you are free to do so. Simply take amnesty off the table.
(#3) that we need these illegal workers and consumers for our economy and for our society but only as legal, on-the-radar status.
Response: Open-borders advocates always spout this, and never provide any evidence. Just because an employer hires an illegal alien because they can pay them low wages and make a bigger profit, does not mean that there is not an American worker available to do that job so long as the job meets American labor standards.
It is funny how fond people on the left are of sweatshop labor when illegal immigration is involved.
Lance B. Sjogren
The Appen Attack
August 04, 2007 | 11:47 AM
"These people are so full of twisted agendas and hateful mean-spirited attitudes that they are beyond any kind of reason or decency."
Wow. Mr. Appen joins the ranks of the name calling elites who attacked the good, kind, and law-abiding citizens of the U.S. during the recent shamnesty debate. Lindsay Graham called us "bigots" and George Bush said we "don't care about our country". Now along comes Appen taking these scurilous attacks to a new low.
Mr. Appen, I read all the posts on this site plus all the ones on the site of your article that started this. Only one could be construed as hateful....and it was implicit not explicit.
I am one of those that have been called "hateful, mean spirited bigots who don't care about their country ". Well, wrong. I am a courteous, kind, loyal, patriotic,rational, man of faith. Your attack on the good citizens who care is what is mean spirited. And why don't you talk to Johnny Isakson and Saxby Chambliss and their staffs and find out how many of the good folks who called them demonstrated hateful mean spirited attitudes.
Mr. Appen, why don't you give a little thought to the following:
"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."
Barry Goldwater
Mike Morton
Take responsibility for yourself
August 04, 2007 | 11:01 AM
Anyone who wants a job can find one - at least here in Georgia. Take responsibility for your own situation and stop looking for people to blame. Get off your seat and go start working. And for those of you who are blaming the illegal immigrant population for all the crime... look around at who is being arrested. Criminals have no nationality, race, or economic caste. They come from all walks of life.
appen
Return The Ilegals - Now!
August 04, 2007 | 10:37 AM
Our company is in the oil nad gas industry and is planning a major petrochemical project in Louisiana. Senior managers were instructed by the company's owners to direct all contractors and sub-contractors that they are not allowed to hire illegal aliens. This policy will be enforced.
Yes, it is a firm policy in this billion dollar project, and we are actively encouraging other major project builders in the south not to hire illegal aliens and to contact US immigration if they know of any employers who are in fact violating US laws on this matter.
Our company is supporting Senator Chip Roberts of Georgia in his efforts to basically make sure illegals do not come to Georgia, and the United States, since we know only too well the true costs that illgelas are costing us in medical and social services. There is no debate here because we can easily verify the costs.
Mexico, Central America, Haiti,and Cuba all suffers from their inability to take care of their citizens who, in most cases, have the citizens elected or put into power. US citizens should not be required to pay for their stupid political choices when the governments become the oppressor or loot the treasury.
Mexico has been gouging its citizens for decades and they continue to elect people who will not open up their economies to competition, so that the wealthy individuals and companies continue to rape their respective countries thus causing migration to the US.
We can clealy see that most illegals, mostly Hispanic, are numerous with their families in the stores and we know they are all not working.
I have never seen one Hispanic riding the back of a garbage truck. I guess that is too dirty for them, right?
We ahve to recognize the political and economic dangers that illegals present to the U.S.
The law that allows the illegals to "drop their babies" in the US should be eliminated all together. Many mexicans come over for day visits just to be able to claim US citizenship for their child. I fail to even remotely understand how stupid that situation remains unchanged knowing what is happening and mostly Democrats thinking it is just fine. It is not fine.
George Bush has failed to enforce the laws on the books and his attempts to allow 30 million illegals a free ride to US citizenship will rememebred only too well as a major flsw in his character. The President is not a conservative Republican, but a closet libel trying to appease the wrong people.
If you are a businessman and you continue to violate our national laws on immigration, our managers and employees are advised to identify you and we will make sure you are exposed and hopefull prosecuted.
We plan to request that Senator Chip Robers sponsor a bill next year allowing Georgia citizens to be able to file lawsuits agiant individuals and companies who aid the illegals. This should have major impact on the criminal actions of those who think we are going to sit by and let the loud mouths run this county and the state of Georgia.
R. F. Meyer
Now Appen calls US insane??? ("beyond any kind of reason")
August 04, 2007 | 10:36 AM
"These people are so full of twisted agendas and hateful mean-spirited attitudes that they are beyond any kind of reason or decency."
YOU CONTINUE TO BE SO OFF THE MARK ON THIS. I HAVE NO 'AGENDA', I AM A KIND, LOVING, GIVE-THE-SHIRT-OFF-MY-BACK PERSON--WHO IS BARELY GETTING BY...but I am happy about LIFE and have a PEACEFUL life--until I realized the deplorable situation the Government has gotten us into with the ILLEGAL ALIENS situation. It permeates EVERY crevice of our country and it WILL BE RESOLVED...by THE PEOPLE--now that WE ARE AWAKE!
Kathy Moyer
We will gladly PAY, whatever you threaten it will cost, to save
August 04, 2007 | 10:18 AM
Most of your threats of higher costs are totally erroneous--we know the slave..oh excuse me, I mean BUSINESS...OWNERS are the ones who will pay for a change!
However, THE CITIZENS of AMERICA would gladly pay whatever it takes rather than keep funneling OUR hard earned money down the drains that lead directly into the hands of the NOT ENTITLED ILLEGAL ALIENS!!
Only the ill-informed and the greedy people who profit from this invasion support the open-borders and the travesty happening to America!
Kathy Moyer
Lunitic fringe on the move
August 04, 2007 | 09:22 AM
Just these few responses should open the eyes of the mainstream public with regard to the illegal immigration problem and the quacks it seems to draw out of the wood work. Don't be influenced by these folks. Stay the course - take the high ground.
Mr. King, for example, is responding to an editorial I wrote that basically said three things: (#1) the current policy is not working and must be fixed - yes, the border needs to be a real border, (#2) that making "amnesty" the issue is preventing any real, practical, enforceable, realistic solutions to the problem, (#3) that we need these illegal workers and consumers for our economy and for our society but only as legal, on-the-radar status. They need to be opted into the system so that they can pay all their taxes and so they can pay into all our social support systems. Yes, a price needs to be paid for being "opted in" - citizenship or temporary work status or similar must be earned.
Now, that being said, does that mean I support "breaking the law"? Does that mean that I think it is ok to evade our borders? I don't think so. These people are so full of twisted agendas and hateful mean-spirited attitudes that they are beyond any kind of reason or decency.
appen
Compensation for illegality?
August 03, 2007 | 05:29 PM
I have watched and continue to watch people get killed, every single day by illegal alien gangs in Los Angeles, California. The Mayor and Police Chief are apparently fine with it, since they will not seek t identify illegal aliens and in fact, protect them at all costs-to legal and other innocent citizens. My simple conclusion for the rest of this nation and the citizens in it, whether from Georgia or elsewhere is, if you are alright with all of the lawlessness, increase in gang activity, breakdown of the most fundamental rules in society and feel it is all compensated for by cheap lettuce, saving a few dollars here and there on whatever, by all mean, have at it. As the old saying goes, you will sleep in the bed you make.
Bobby
Appen
August 03, 2007 | 04:29 PM
Be careful Appen. Law abiding Citizens know where to find you. If the problem of illegal, criminal, immigration becomes to dangerous, the law abiding Citizens just may become real vigilantes, and come for you and your Ilk, FIRST.
A law abiding Citizen
Get Ready For Price Gouging
August 03, 2007 | 04:01 PM
For what its worth, I have worked in the construction field here in Florida for the last several years. Recently I worked in middle management and had the opportunity to witness subcontract negotiations with Hispanic, Black and White subcontractors. I was also aware of the personnel on the various crews, and yes, some were confessed illegal aliens from Guatemala (who have since gotten their green cards). Regardless of the crew, however, the final price for a given model home was the same and resulted in a nice profit for the builder! In my view, any price increases will appear acceptable to the general public because of MSM propaganda that the cause is deporting illegal aliens. Unadulterated bull!!
Terry C
Patriots can become whisleblowers in the illegal invasion debate
August 03, 2007 | 01:53 PM
Thank heavens for strong backboned patriots like D.A. King. Now that the American people have finally had their eyes forced open, the battle is on to fight for all citizens and not our political parties pandering to corporate greed.
If the individual is a legal immigrant and been authorised to stay in this country. Then they are welcome!
If they broke our sovereign law, and entered this country illegally they should be deported. No exceptions!
It is still a felony to aid and abet any illegal aliens. If some honest men and women, in law enforcement, would go after the bottom feeders in the government, business and the general population that have been aiding and abetting them, by the time they had enough of a handle on it to raise their heads from the job and look around I don't think many illegal aliens would still be left. We don't need any new laws to do this either. Just some honest men and women that take their oaths of office seriously! Finding them is the first step! Federal Immigration and Nationality Act Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii) "Any person who . . . encourages or induces an alien to . . . reside . . . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such . . . residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided . . . for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . . fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both." Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A): A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or local government) commits a federal felony when she or he: * assists an alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or * encourages that alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him or her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or * knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions.
Hire U.S. citizen taxpayer workers and pay a reasonable, living wage with benefits and then your business will run smoothly. Employers need to start to look over their shoulder from now on, because THE PEOPLE are watching.
As a citizen of this country and a patriot, use your eyes and ears to detect suspicious circumstances in your work-place or elsewhere. It really is your duty as an American to report illegal aliens who are working on a stolen or otherwise fraudulent I.D, especially in large corporations, factories or other work-sites. You can help to save the jobs of U.S. citizens. Our internal Immigration enforcement like (ICE) should be contacted. Be a whistleblower and save America from the silent invasion. This phenomena is not going away, unless we do our part?
http://www.ice.gov/about/contact.htm
http://outragedpatriots.com
www.judicialwatch.org
YOU TOO CAN STOP THE SILENT INVASION, BY CONTACTING (ICE) Immigration & Customs Enforcement
Pass this information onto all patriots & Activists!
Daves
Amnesty
August 03, 2007 | 01:50 PM
Dear Editor:
D.A. King, in "Amnesty for aliens not worth the price," August 1, once again hits the ball out of the park.
Amnesty advocates often decry the supposed ignorance of those who support immigration enforcement. The fact is, those against open-borders policies are generally far better informed than those in favor. D.A. King's depth of knowledge on the subject is a good example.
In contrast, even Senator John McCain, self-styled "know-it-all" on immigration policy, was embarrassed when bloggers pointed out that a provision (involving back taxes) he claimed to be in the Senate immigration bill was not in there.
There are only two types of people who support open-borders policies: Those who are ill-informed, and those who profit from immigration anarchy.
Sincerely,
Lance B. Sjogren
844 W. Crestwood Ave.
San Pedro, Ca. 90731
Lance B. Sjogren
D.A. is right on the money!
August 03, 2007 | 01:43 PM
D.A. is johnny on the spot in his numerous statement of fact regarding the illegal alien invasion of our nation.
Most illegals are lying, cheating and stealing to be blunt but accurate when it comes to using fake or stolen ID's, social security numbers, driver licenses, etc.
This isssue is about one thing - (as D.A. said) ILLEGAL BLACK MARKET LABOR, and the desire of firms to utilize it - nothing more.
RSG
Open Borders nonsense based on emotional, non-sensical propagand
August 03, 2007 | 01:28 PM
Mr. D.A. King couldn't be more correct and factual. Well, Mr. Appen couldn't be more incorrect and nonfactual. D.A. and all Americans have had enough of the open borders crowds propaganda. The United States of America is a sovereign country with defined borders and for those who choose to violate those borders for whatever reason deserve nothing but the applicable lawfully described punishment.
Ron Lingren